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Analog Man is not your average gear freak. He has a degree in computer science and he worked in Japan for a year as a software engineer, where he was introduced to the vintage guitar market in Japan, which was still developing in the U.S. in the mid 80s. When he returned to the States, he began selling and collecting vintage guitars, which evolved into his interest in vintage effects. Mike has established an excellent reputation as an expert on guitar effects of all kinds. He sells many of the most highly regarded new effects being made today, and he is well-known for his work in modifying new and reissue effects to vintage specs, such as his Tube Screamer 808 and TS9 mods. His web site is filled with fascinating discussions of vintage effects, and the following interview is probably one youll want to read twice.
TQR: When did you start selling guitars, Mike?
During the mid 80s here in the northeast. At that time, the export market to Japan was very strong, while the market in the U.S. hadnt really developed yet. Its my understanding that the major US vintage guitar dealer at the time would fax their stock list to Japanese dealers before they ever offered the guitars for sale over here. They would make deals with the Japanese dealers for lots of guitars at one time and ship them over.
TQR: Are you still interested in guitars today, or has your interest fully evolved into effects?
Oh, I probably have 20 or 30 guitars -nothing extremely rare - and when I get bored with a guitar, Ill sell it and acquire something else. I try to keep at least one very good example of every vintage effect that I can these days. That way I can keep them on hand for comparison or reference as needed. When I helped Foxrox develop the Captain Coconut, I lined up every vintage Univibe and Univibe clone ever made, and I hooked them up to a switching box so that I could listen to each one and evaluate them together.
TQR: What kind of amp do you use for that type of evaluation?
It depends on what Im testing. I have a 1969 Marshall
100W thats the best for anything in the Hendrix realm, or
any kind of fuzzes. I also have a blackface Deluxe Reverb that I
like to use for things like TubeScreamers, because a lot of
players use Tube Screamers with a Strat and a Fender amp thats
sort of bright. I usually use one of those two amps for checking
TQR: What did you start out doing and how did your work with pedals evolve?
Well, the Tube Screamers really got me going, and they still keep me busy. I think I was the first person to do the TS 808 mods on later pedals, improving the sound with truly 100% TS 808 specs. There were actually a couple of Ibanez pedals that came before the TS 808 -the Overdrive and Overdrive II. The Overdrive was really sort of a fuzzy overdrive/distortion, and the Overdrive II was a little less fuzzy, but I would consider it to be more of a distortion pedal than an overdrive. The Tube Screamer 808 was introduced in 1979, I believe, and that one has the classic sound and used one single dual op-amp chip. The other overdrive pedals I mentioned started out without any chips. They used several transistors, and then they went to two op-amp chips, then a single op amp in the basic circuit that was used in all of the later models.
TQR: What makes the TS808 so highly prized?
Its a little smoother and less harsh than the later models. I guess they just got it really right with the first one, and everything theyve done since just hasnt quite lived up to the original. The TS9 uses the same printed circuit board, but they changed a few components on it, most notably the chip, and the vintage sound of the TS808 is not quite there.
TQR: So regarding the TS808 mods that you do, players have a choice between the 808 or the brown mod
The brown option is still a 100% 808 circuit. The only difference is that I use carbon comp resistors for the brown version, which werent used in the originals, and they warm up the tone of the pedal more than the standard 808.
TQR: So you wont have to back the tone control down so far to cut that harsh high end.
Yeah, some guys have to run that tone control way down to get that trashy high end out of the signal.
TQR: We were looking at several TS808 auctions on eBay today and we noticed that people were referring to the JRC4558D op-amp chip. Is that the TS808 chip?
Yes, thats the Japanese chip, but there was also a Malaysian 4558 chipused in the TS 808 that some people actually prefer. It was a Texas Instruments chip. The early TS9s also used the JRC Japanese chip, and they will almost always have the black serial number sticker, as opposed to the silver label on the later pedals.
TQR: So thats why people refer to the black label TS9.
Right, although on eBay, its just as likely that somebody took a bottom plate off of an old compressor and put it on a reissue TS9. Ive had dozens of supposedly original Tube Screamers that were sent to me for modification, and they were reissues on closer examination. More than half of them were from eBay, and a lot of people just dont know that they arent originals, especially after theyve passed through several hands.
TQR: Weve also noticed that there are mod kits being sold for TS9s.
Since I started doing this, several people have begun selling kits. I do ship kits overseas because of the high cost of shipping a pedal back and forth, but I also have had probably a dozen pedals here where people bought kits and installed them unsuccessfully. Some of the workmanship is unbelievable. Its not that difficult to pull a chip out of a board if you have the right tools, but you can also do a lot of damage with a Radio Shack soldering iron and a pair of pliers. Ive seen it all (laughs).
TQR: Solder is not a connector
Right, there needs to be something there to keep it together.
TQR: What do you use for the chips when you do your mods?
I use the JRC4558 chip. I bought thousands of them when I was over in Japan, so I have a good supply. I also use the RC4558P chip if desired by the customer.
TQR: What can you expect to hear from a modified TS9 compared to the original or reissues?
A beginning player may not notice anything if they are using a Gorilla amp and a cheap guitar. But if your playing has progressed to a point where there is a good interaction between you and your guitar, youll notice that it sounds less like a pedal. It lets more of the natural character of the guitar through, more dynamics, and the subtleties of good guitar tone.
TQR: Harmonics Harmonics are a huge thing with effects pedals.
I can tell in one second with a fuzz pedal whether its good or not simply by scratching on the strings and listening to the harmonics that are produced. Some fuzzes are really flat, and you wont hear any harmonics at all. The thing about the Tube Screamer is that it should let all of the harmonics through. One thing that the Tube Screamer is really good for is live performances. People say they are mid-range heavy, and on stage you really need that midrange boost to cut through the mix.
TQR: If someone wanted to send you a TS9, whats the cost for your modification?
With the brown mod and shipping, its $50.00.
TQR: What should someone pay for an original TS808 or TS9, in your experience?
I can buy a clean original TS808 for $300 and still make a profit on it because of the demand for them. With TS9s, you shouldnt pay more than $200 for a clean original one.
TQR: Have you ever seen a Super Tube Screamer?
I have one here now, and they seem to have been distributed in Europe rather than the States.
TQR: How do they differ from the other models?
They have an additional active mid range tone circuit, and its a really good sound. There was another Japanese domestic market version made in the mid 80s by Maxon called the ST01 that has the exact same circuitboard as the Super Tube Screamer, and you could probably find one much cheaper.
TQR: We bought a new TS7 which we reported on, and when we A/Bd it with a TS808 and a TS9, we didnt find that much difference -it was noticeable, but not huge
Im sure that the TS7s are quite consistent, but if you had, say, five TS 808s, you could find maybe three sounded significantly better than the TS7, one that was the same and another that didnt sound as good.The TS808s were not that consistent, now that the old chips have mellowed on some.
TQR: Was there a lot of variation with effects from different production runs?
There was a lot of variation in certain effects and less with others. If I open up a TS9, just by looking at the chip I can pretty much tell what its going to sound like, and its going to be consistent with other TS9s that have that particular chip. With a Fuzz Face, you can look at it all day, but until you plug it in, you wont know whether it will sound miraculous or totally flatulent. If just one of the two transistors is a little weak, it can make all of the difference in the world. Its such a simple circuit, that the two transistors are really crucial.
TQR: CÚsar Diaz has told us that to really do it right, he has to sort through every batch of germanium transistors he gets to find the good ones.
Exactly -Im one of his dealers, and sometimes he wont even ship them until he has a really good batch of transistors. For example, I returned a batch of 27 transistors last week that were technically the same part as I had used previously, but they were totally useless in a Fuzz Face circuit. They had much higher leakage than what I had been using, the gain was all over the place, and I just had to send them back.
TQR: How much variation is there in vintage Wahs? The discussion on Wahs that is on your web site is fascinating.
All Wahs have pretty much the exact same circuit. The main differences are in the inductors, of course, the capacitors, the two transistors,and the potentiometer makes a big difference. The pots that they used in the originals had a very unique taper to them. When you are actually using an old wah, like with Eric Clapton in Cream when he did that really fast rocking sound, you dont have to actually rock the pedal through its entire travel with those old pots. Theres a sweet spot in them. You cant really clean those old pots once the conductive path becomes worn out.
TQR: What do you use as a replacement?
The Teese Roc Pot 2. They seem to last forever.
TQR: Do you sell parts for people who want to refurbish their own vintage wahs?
I used to sell everything from the inductor, to a replacement circuitboard, a potentiometer, to a true bypass switch, which is a nice thing to do with a Wah, because they often tend to suck the high end from your tone when theyre off. The reason is that its basically adding a capacitor to ground, which rolls off high end. Some people dont mind, but for people who want a clean sound, the bypass switch is a good solution. The parts I sold from the Teese Real McCoy are no longer available on the aftermarket, unfortunately, since Geoffrey Teese has decided to only sell his parts in his Wahs.
TQR: Would installing a true bypass in a vintage wah devalue it?
I dont think so, but it wouldnt be a bad idea to keep the original switch.
TQR: Lets talk about Captain Coconut
Dave Fox of Foxrox was the first person who actually came out with a clone of the Univibe, which were always very hard to find. Dave took a univibe and reversed engineered it, and he was selling them through Guitar Player magazine ads, and Bob Bradshaw at Custom Audio, but after awhile he stopped, and several other people came out with them. Dave wanted to get back into that, and hes also an expert on the Fuzz Face, since he was the first to reintroduce them when he worked with Crest Audio. He kept wondering why his paycheck from Crest also had something related to Dallas Music on it, which was the company that originally produced the Fuzz Face, and he found out that it was the same company. Anyway, he discovered that they had a bunch of old Trem Faces put away that didnt work, so he fixed them and started selling them. Then he started reproducing Fuzz Faces with the silicon circuit. This was about the time that Dunlop started to sell Fuzz Faces without any prior rights to the name, so they reached an agreement that Dunlop would make the Fuzz Faces, and Crest would stick to the Pro Audio business. So thats how Dave Fox got into the Univibe and the Fuzz Face. Dave got into theOctavia because his company was working with people who ran Tycobrahe, the original manufacturer. They sent him the schematics for the Octavia, and a new old stock Octavia, so he was able to study those.
TQR: The Captain Coconut is a 3 in 1 pedal -an Octavia, Univibe and Fuzz Face in one
Right, and we dont stock them, so you can order one and depending on the number of orders we have, delivery can take from one to four weeks.
TQR: What other kinds of pedal modifications do you offer?
Probably the second most popular mod that I do is the MXR Dynacomp Ross compressor mod. I got my hands on a factory schematic for the Ross and reverse engineered it, and again, like so many other things, I found that they had taken a very good sounding MXR pedal and made it better. They added various capacitors to stabilize the circuit, and that really helps with a compressor, because it has a lot of work to do to keep the signal nice and steady. The Ross is really steady, and although Dynacomps are very good, the Ross is even better. The Dynacomp reissues made by Dunlop today arent as good as the originals because they changed several component values, so I change a few things on the reissues to make them sound and behave like a Ross. That mod is about $75, and I change all of the transistors to the same ones that were in the Ross, and I add all of the additional capacitors that stabilize the circuit. Its basically 100% Ross specs. I also make my own version of the Ross that I call the Comprossor, because some of the features of the Dunlop Dynacomp are really terrible, like the jacks. They tend to jam really bad, and they dont make very good contact. Its also really difficult to add true bypass to the Dynacomp. So my model has an LED, true bypass, and very good jacks.
TQR: I noticed that you offer a hundred or so used effects on your web site, and when you add the new pedals, its closer to two hundred.
Could be a lot more - people always try to sell me things that Im not interested in, because Im really only interested in things I would want to own myself. I try to keep only high quality effects on my site -products that I can stand behind.
TQR: Well, I see Fulltones, and essentially all of the desirable old and new pedals, including all of the Diaz stuff. If you were to put together your idea of the guitarists essential pedal board, what would it be?
Thats a really good question. Id have to start with the Ross compressor, and a Teese RMC Wah. I have all of the old Wahs but Idprobably go with a Teese just because theyre so reliable.
TQR: What do they sell for?
We sell them for $175 to $285, and there are four models with
various adjustments and components.
Then Id go to a TS 808 pedal -probably a modified TS9 into a germanium Fuzz Face -either an original, or a modified reissue would be just fine. Then my Analog Man chorus pedal
TQR: How is it different from the old light blue Boss CE2 chorus pedal?
Its kind of similar to the older Boss chorus pedal, but the sweep on it is different -the oscillation is much nicer and the sweep is deeper. Also, the speed can get much higher, for the fast Leslie sounds.
TQR: When you say your chorus is similar to the older Boss pedals, how far back are we going?
Id say the early 80s. After that, they lost their
sweet sound because they kept adding additional knobs and
features. My chorus is $225 with astereo option available for an
TQR: OK, weve got the Ross compressor into the Teese RMC Wah, into the modded TS9, into the Analog Man chorus or perhaps an old blue Boss chorus... Whats next?
Id have to add a delay, and delays are a little tough Probably something like a Boss analog DM2 or an Ibanez AD9 - a nice, small, warm analog delay.
TQR: Do you modify the Boss digital delays - the DD5?
Yeah, I have a really cool mod for those, because they have a reverse mode of up to 2 seconds of delay time, and it takes these discrete chunks of sound and plays them backwards. The problem is that when youre in reverse mode, youre also hearing what youre playing forwards, along with it.
TQR: The DD3 is the same without as many bells and whistles?
Yeah, it may even sound a little better than the DD5, it just doesnt have the tap tempo and reverse mode. Anyway, the mod that I do on the DD5 allows you to play in reverse mode and hear the backwards sound without hearing whatever youre playing simultaneously with that.
TQR: The Pedal Train seems to me to be one of the hottest deals going for anyone who needs a pedal board.
I agree. For the money, you really cant beat it.
TQR: What are your thoughts on the chain of effects -in what order should they be hooked up?
Basically, there are a few pedals that want to be first in your chain to work correctly, one of which is the Fuzz Face. It wants to see the pickup on the guitar so that the clean up factor works, where you can back off the volume of your guitar and clean up the tone. The Wah is another one that should be in the front, followed by compression, overdrive and distortion pedals. Dave Fox has recently come up with a wah mod (a small add-on circuit board) that can be installed in your wah so you can run it in front of a fuzzface and the fuzzface will still sound good. Next in your chain could be compression, though it can go before the other pedals. Then overdrive and distortion pedals. After those, you get into your modulation effects like chorus and flange. Normally you want to put echo, delay or reverb at the end of the chain, and there is another type of pedal that is commonly used, and the more pedals you have the more useful it is. Im talking about things that are clean boost pedals like the Z Vex Super Hard On, the Diaz Texas Ranger, or the Klon Centaur, and you can put those at the beginning or the end of the chain. A lot of people will ask this question, and then put everything together exactly that way. But the reality of it is, there really are no rules, and you should try a lot of different combinations, because you can stumble on some really cool things. A Voodoo Lab power supply isnt a bad idea, either.
TQR: How do you keep up with all of the pedals that are out there?
Its tough, but I talk to a lot of people, and I usually hear the buzz about specific things that are making the rounds. Its really strange how things can sway perceptions and market values. For example, when Way Huge was in business, they werent all that popular, but then after they stopped making effects, all of a sudden they were nice to have pedals going for crazy money. In the past two years there seem to be double the number of effects manufacturers, and there must be twenty different variations on the Tube Screamer, but I still havent heard one that I liked better than a real Tube Screamer.
TQR: Weve always felt that aside from pickups, you can waste a tremendous amount of money searching for the perfect effects.
Yeah, I dont really sell people too hard on specific products, but I do feel that if you buy the best, in the long run youll save yourself a lot of time and money.
TQR: Whats ahead for you, Mike?
I have taken my COMPROSSOR further, and now offer it as a combo two-in-one compressor pedal. The other side is an improved version of the Dan Armstrong Orange squeezer -a great sounding pedal used on countless hits in the 70s but a nightmare to actually use. They plugged into your guitar jack and had no controls except an on/off switch. My Bi-comprossor has the Ross clone on the left and the orange squeezer clone on the right, each with their own separate volume knobs. I also added an attack time trim pot for the Ross compressor so people can dial in the attack for either more legato or harder attacks. I also make a stand alone Squeezer for people who just want that effect. Dave Fox and I are also thinking about an analog delay, but the bucket brigade chips are SO expensive to allow more than a few hundred milliseconds of delay we are still searching! Dave is also working on an analog-digital hybrid flanger that will have some unique features. After I get my compressors up to speed, I will work on a series of passive switch boxes and true bypass/loop boxes which are very handy to have. I made one that works just like the two separate boxes that Eric Johnson uses, and it is simple and useful.
TQR: Was there anything like a golden era for Boss pedals?
Yeah, I think the first versions of the pedals from the early 80s that were made in Japan were very, very good, and they issued a huge number of different pedals that only lasted for a few years during that time - analog delays, the SP1 Spectrum fixed frequency filter, the Roland Jet phasers, Fuzz Wahs Some of the other early Roland pedals were very good.
TQR: How long does it take generally to get a pedal modded?
Youll often get it back within a week via priority mail. Other things like the Fuzz Face or the Boss DD5 will take longer. Wahs if there are mechanical issues, they can take longer, so anywhere from a few days to a few weeks.
TQR: Whats your take on alkaline vs. carbon batteries?
Alkaline batteries are OK for most things except fuzz pedals, or a really simple early pedal like the Dallas Rangemaster. In those pedals,the battery really becomes an integral part of the circuit, and not only will it sound different with a carbon battery, but youll get more volume from a carbon battery in those pedals.
TQR: Who are some of the artists you work with?
Ive been working with Kenny Wayne Shepherd since 1998,
and Ive beenworking with Tony Iommis guitar tech,
Mike Clement, hunting down some vintage effects. I just shipped
him three Roland SDD3000 delays -two for Tony and one for Jeff
Beck. Eric Johnson - Ive been trying to find good versions
of pedals that he uses, like the silicon Fuzz Face and AC powered
Chandler tube driver.
Ive also been working with Jim Weider quite a lot. Weve been working on dialing in a Fuzz Face to use his with his Telecaster, and also my 1969 Marshall 100W amp for clean sounds. He had never used Marshalls before, but he loves using it for clean tones and blending it with his other amps. Jim ended up using my Marshall mixed into nearly all of the songs on his new CD, along with my Fuzz Face on a few tracks.The amp was de-tubed to 50W and used with my 73 4x12 bottom with original greenbacks. Greg Martin and I have been working on some things. In the past, he hasnt used many pedals - hes been strictly a Les Paul into a Marshall guy, but hes getting into different effects now. Oh,and Jimmy Herring is another guy I have to mention -The Allman Brothers, Phil Lesh -hes another good guy to work with, and hes using our Tube Screamers.
And I should mention Scott Henderson, as
well. He uses a very complex set up with a Bradshaw switching
system, and he just loves the Tube Screamer mods weve done,
in fact, he sold his old original TS 808 and TS9s. AJ
Dunning from the Verve Pipe just put out a new CD and will be
touring with my chorus and Captain Coconut, and I also customized
an old Multivox Full Rotor for him for use with an external speed
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